Melle Mel of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five recently sat down with The Art of Dialogue, and his thoughts on some modern-day rappers have sparked much reaction — especially from members of the hip-hop community.

In particular, his belief that Eminem‘s skin color helped mint his status in the genre caught some flak.

“Obviously he’s a capable rapper. If you was talking about sales, he’s sold more than everybody. If you were talking about rhyme style, OK he got a rhyme style. But he’s white. He’s white!” Melle said when discussing Em’s place as #5 on Billboard/Vibe’s Top 50 rappers list. “So now if Eminem was another n***a like all the rest of us, would he be Top 5 on that list when a n***a that could rhyme just as good as him is 35? That had records and all that? He’s 35. He’s white.”

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The likes of Fat JoeKevin Gates and 50 Cent disagreed with Mel, with 50 saying he’s not sure that hip-hop culture “would be what it is today without artist[s] like Eminem.”

“I am not sure I would be who I am with out him but you know it is competitive so n***as gonna hate,” he added. “LOL f*** outta here! We sucker free.”

While on the show, Melle Mel also maintained “nobody wants to rap like Eminem” or Kendrick Lamar. He also said Lil Wayne can’t be a top rapper because he used auto-tune and “people don’t even know his real voice.”

Public Enemy‘s Chuck D chimed in on the backlash, noting rappers “Gotta have tougher skin,” “MAN up and keep it moving.”

For context, Melle landed at #48 on the list, while Kendrick, Eminem and Wayne secured the second, fifth and seven spots, respectively.

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